Is there something specific you want?  

We've all faced disappointment. Four years ago I was a HUGE Dean supporter, and I really liked the old 70s John Kerry (he got it then, and now he does again now) but I did NOT like the yes on AMUF 2002-2004 John Kerry.

I was not happy with the Party's choice, but I would rather eat barbed wire than vote for a Bushite Republican, so I put a Kerry sticker on my car and a Kerry sign in my yard, and I voted for Kerry.

Keep it..

So either your diary was satire, or you belong to the KMBYA (Kiss My BYtter Ass) faction.  Got it.

It's been said over and over, and is therefore irrefutable (unless you repeatedly contradict it at least one more time than it has been said).

Wow.  This is a great comment.  I'm just too perplexed to add anything substantial, yet.

Hillary was pretty clear that she wanted Obama as VP

" I'm also certain that some of these people are not actually Democrats.  They may have voted that way on occasion, but never fully owned it."

Why do you BO supporters keep saying this crap? You are dead wrong. All the Clinton supporters I know who are now the new Democrats for McCain movement are lifelong Democrats of 30 years or more who are outraged and repulsed by the tactics and dishonesty of the BO campaign and DNC. It is our profound commitment to the party that has fueled our intense disgust with everything that has happened. If our commitment to Democratic Party principles had not been so intense and deeply ingrained, our horror at what has happened to our party would not be so great. Only  great love can provoke such a reaction as that which you are seeing.

I don't see anything short of total capitulation and renunciation of the illegitimate Obama nomination that will bring us back into the party, the bridges have been burned, and likely will flip the election to John McCain this year.

Want to hear something really funny? When I used to post here every day I would regularly hear BO supporters tell Clinton supporters that they would feel more comfortable posting their stuff on Red State or some other conservative blog. Well, I finally  went over there and what's AMAZING is that even as a far left liberal progressive I am far more respected and treated with more civility on their blogs than I ever was here or on Daily Kos or DU, etc. It's awesome to actually have an intelligent, respectful conversation and civil disagreement with people there. My first comments were prodded by many to post as diaries, and made their rec lists immediately. It feels so much more productive than this stupid wasteland of repetitve, ruthless and vulgar nonsense that goes on here, to the exclusion of anything positive or growthful. People who value intelligent and fair minded discourse will like it over there, so Clinton supporters, come on over to Red State! You really will like it there, no joke! And they do not insist you agree with them, just that you not be trollish and flaming, and debate issues fairly, without slimy personal attacks, racism, etc.

Exactly.

Ninety percent of the PUMA types on this blog are mainly interested in destroying the Democratic Party's chances in November. All of this "my way or the highway" nonsense is just a smokescreen.

Let them vote any way they damn well please. I hope a bunch of them are here in NY, which will go blue anyway and which truly does honor Hillary Clinton and her beliefs, while they simply insult and demean them.

If could recommend this quote 100 times I would.

Here's what it comes down to: There is no need for Obama to suck up to Hillary supporters.

What it comes down to for these PUMA people is deciding what is more important to them - the issues or revenge for not winning?

Look at the stances of Obama and McCain. Which set of beliefs more accurately reflect your own?

I can understand not liking Obama and not even wanting to vote for him. But a Democrat voting for McCain? It blows my mind. How do you make that idealogical jump like that? There's no other reason than sour grapes.

As these people will endlessly remind us, we can't force them to vote for the nominee of their party.

In the end, it's really up to each person to decide whether they'd rather live under President Obama or President McCain. Underneath the endless rationalizations and hostage demands, it comes down to which president they'd rather have, and nothing more.

I disagree.  To take an obvious example, Gore likely would have won the 2000 election if fewer people had voted Green that year because, in their opinion, Gore was not sufficiently pure.  Everyone has to be willing to compromise or no one will be happy.  Take yourself as an example - you suggest that Obama needs to mend fences with you, but you provide no basis on which he is supposed to do so.  I mean, if you can't articulate what you want, what is anyone supposed to do?

Do you think Obama has the right to ask for Hillary to release her income tax returns, and for Bill to release the list of donors to his library, before being considered as VP?

Or do you think he owes her an offer on her terms, with no full vetting, simply because she finished second in the primaries?

Can't speak for what "Team Obama" wants, but:

I want a Democratic President of the United States.

Thats where is starts and ends for me.  You?

What DOES Team PUMA really want?  

Psssst  dt your attempt to cause divisions here, are quite obvious. Try being more subtle next time.

Uh-huh.

John McCain isn't a boogeyman. He's a Republican politician whose views I find repugnant.

Vote for him if you like, but I couldn't in a million years.

There better be a few St. Bernards at the convention, in order to save the delegates who get buried in the Gravelanche!

You sure?  Cuz I heard...1000s of McCain supporters...trying to woo Clinton supporters...at an Obama rally...were responsible for the booing.  

Ahem.

"it is a simple question with a simple answer, what do you want, and lets not play around, answer the question honestly so we can just move on"

You cannot undo the past, and what has transpired has convinced the most involved Clinton Democrats that BO is a fatally flawed candidate who we must prevent from reaching the presidency for the greater good of the American people. And the DNC is fatally corrupted and should be overturned. This is our sincere conclusion and I do not see any remedy. This is not a snap judgement, and every step of the way we made it clear that the way the primary process was proceeding was unacceptable. That repeat warning was totally ignored and outrage after outrage was piled on. We do not want the corrupt Chicago machine taking over our party or our country, we fear it far more than we fear John McCain, who would be obstructed at every turn as president, and who is a trustworthy enough person that he was asked by John Kerry to be his running mate not long ago.

Senator McCain invited us to his Arlington office and met with us in person, and while we disagree with his views, we like and trust him as a person. We distrust and deeply dislike BO, and no one really knows where he stands on the issues, or what he would really do as president, and we dislike his noncommittal record, it smacks of deception and unprincipled opportunism. We feel stabbed in the back by people we trusted as friends. When trust is completely destroyed, there is no relationship left.

I know you disagree, and that's your prerogative. I'm not here to argue or change any minds, but just for the sake of closure between us, I thought I would explain it once again. There isn't anything left to say, that's why most of us don't return here any longer to communicate with you. It's done.

Well, I only came back to this blog to see whether any old friends were still posting. See you in Denver, I will bo one of those on the outside this time, shouting at you and probably getting tasered or something...

While it's probably true that some Hillary supporters will never vote for Barack, I am one Hillary supporter who is trying to find any glimmer of hope to put my fears about a Barack presidency to rest and to be able to vote confidently for him.  In my mind, there are two specific things he could do that would ensure my vote.  One is putting Hillary on the ticket--which would begrudgingly get my vote even though I believe her strengths and talent would be mostly wasted as VP (but it would at least give me assurance that he has somebody I trust in there helping to guide him instead of whom I fear is guiding him currently).  The second thing he could do, that only he has the power to do:  I'd love to see him hold even a single hearing of his Senate Subcommittee and try to deal with the European lack of support that NATO has made so evident regarding Afghanistan--especially as US deaths in Afghanistan outnumbered the deaths in Iraq this last month, but US deaths in Afghanistan have been increasing all throughout '07 and '08 while he's held that Chairmanship!  

To better explain:  my very real concern is that by Obama's complete lack of action with respect to what I feel is a rather critical matter (and he seems to agree as far as Afghanistan is concerned) with respect to foreign and security affairs and rather naïve approach to policies that his campaign has readily admitted he somewhat created on the fly due to misspeaking in an early debate and then deciding to go with it with respect to meeting of foes, that he could very well make things even worse for our country.  He has spoken out so frequently about the problems in Afghanistan and what "he will do when he's President" to fix that situation.  But the simple fact is he's been a position to do something about that ever since January 2007--and he's chosen to do absolutely nothing about it.  Now I realize he alone would not have had the power to fix it entirely--but he is in a key position to have lent support to NATO as they've tried to bring attention to the problems of European countries refusing to fight in southern Afghanistan, thereby leaving the US to foot a proportionally larger share of that fighting (and suffer the toll of that fighting).  If he believes so strongly in rectifying Afghanistan, why hasn't he done anything about it when he was in a better position than most to do something about it?  (And his sudden about-face on the General Election campaign funding just adds to my concerns that his actions too often have not supported his words.)   So that is what he could do to win my vote--he could hold a meeting of his subcommittee that has responsibility for oversight of NATO and Europe as it relates to Afghanistan.

As I noted elsewhere previously, it has been largely domestic issues that have been front and center of my political leanings.  Yes, Roe v. Wade is a huge issue in this election--and those rights are something that have always been an important election point for me and seem critically important at this precarious time in our nation's history.  BUT it is not the only issue.  But it and other social issues aside, I found myself going through a curious transition at the beginning of this Primary Season, because of the feelings that have been building within me throughout our current President's inept handling of the Presidency.  And...

For the first time, I've realized that I truly fear for the future of our country--on many fronts and many levels, but including for mere survival due to the enemies we've made around the world.  

For the first time, I've been made to feel embarrassed and ashamed to be American (and find myself more often than not emphasizing to foreign friends and acquaintances that I didn't vote for Bush and feeling the need to defend myself).  

For the first time, I've found myself extremely relieved just to get to this election season as I truly feared whether we would survive Bush's Presidency.

So while domestic and social issues had always been my driving force and continue to be critically important to me, my focus for the first time has become an emphasis on protecting our country from the forces of evil that do exist around the world and rebuilding our reputation among the world.  In my mind as I've tormented myself through this election season and spent far too many hours I really didn't have researching various angles and issues, I realized that, not to sound extremist but, for me it comes down to this basic premise:  

--it won't matter if we have marriage equality if we get blown off the face of the earth,

--it won't matter if we have abortion rights if we get blown off the face of the earth,

--it won't matter if I/we all have health care (which I'm not fortunate enough to have myself at the moment for extenuating circumstances that are beyond the scope of this post),

--it won't matter what the poverty levels here are if we get blown off the face of the earth,

--it won't matter if our soldiers come home from Iraq and Afghanistan if we get blown off the face of the earth,

--it won't matter...I could continue this list to name all the other key domestic and foreign issues that are important to me and so many others, but I think you get my point.

Now I've not become irrationally afraid--however, any fear at all of this nature is not something we in the great US of A are accustomed to feeling, and it was somewhat of a shocker to me as I found these feelings growing within me over these last several years.  We used to be the great super power of the world--however, Bush has greatly damaged that reputation, and I do believe it will take a lot of work to try to reestablish ourselves in that sense whatsoever.  And I just haven't been at all convinced that Barack is the right person to lead this effort--as I've stated, I'm afraid he could do even more damage.  So my concern is for my country more than for the Democratic Party as it relates to choosing our next President.  (And I am trying very hard not to let my utmost disgust with the DNC and the Rules & ByLaws Committee and certain leaders of this party sway my vote away from Barack--but he's still got to prove himself worthy of my vote.)  So rather lengthy, I realize, but that's something he could do to earn my vote.